of the united states of america. over $9 trillion. they write half of the mortgages in this country, and two-thirds of the credit cards, okay? three out of the four large financial institutions that we bailed out because they were too big to fail are today bigger than they were before we bailed them out. now, if this were teddy rooselt re preside ofhe united states, what do you think he would say? he'd say, "break these babies up." let's create a system where the financial institutions actually invest and lend money into the productive economy, where businesses are trying to produce products or create services, not the kind of casino, this horrendous, ugly casino that we have on wall street. >> but senator durbin, the number two democrat in the senate said to me and to others that the banks, wall street, those six firms now own the senate. >> that's right. that's all absolutely right. >> how are you going to, how are you going to get a reform the, when th -- >> well, that takes us back to another issue that dick and i and others are w